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	<title>Comments on: NCAA Ice Hockey Moving to Two-Ref System &#8230; and Removing Ties?</title>
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		<title>By: Rick King</title>
		<link>http://gfmorris.com/2007/07/03/ncaa-ice-hockey-moving-to-two-ref-system-and-removing-ties/comment-page-1/#comment-6801</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 18:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Coming from a soccer rather than hockey background, I am a fan of the shootout concept... and I see it being the most practical for playoffs/tournaments where you MUST have a winner of each game.  I can live with a tie during a regular season game as there are other measures to serve as tie breakers.

Once a game goes into overtime, you&#039;re looking at one of two things:
1)  Does the team have enough players in-shape enough to keep going indefinitely?  Can your players go all-out?  If they do, they&#039;re gonna burn out and get sloppy.  There is no definite end-point to the activity of the game.

2)  Does the team have consistent offensive talent to score regularly in shootout?  If you make it past the first round of shooters (5) in a soccer match, you&#039;re moving into your defensive players.  Are they just goons, or can they also place a shot?

I like option 2 because it focuses on a well-rounded team (or possibly a spectacular goalie which I don&#039;t like so much).  I don&#039;t know if hockey requires a full round of shooters in shoot-out before calling it, but I think that would go a long way to keeping it as a team-focused event.

And the spectacle of a shootout is just too awesome to pass up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coming from a soccer rather than hockey background, I am a fan of the shootout concept&#8230; and I see it being the most practical for playoffs/tournaments where you MUST have a winner of each game.  I can live with a tie during a regular season game as there are other measures to serve as tie breakers.</p>
<p>Once a game goes into overtime, you&#8217;re looking at one of two things:<br />
1)  Does the team have enough players in-shape enough to keep going indefinitely?  Can your players go all-out?  If they do, they&#8217;re gonna burn out and get sloppy.  There is no definite end-point to the activity of the game.</p>
<p>2)  Does the team have consistent offensive talent to score regularly in shootout?  If you make it past the first round of shooters (5) in a soccer match, you&#8217;re moving into your defensive players.  Are they just goons, or can they also place a shot?</p>
<p>I like option 2 because it focuses on a well-rounded team (or possibly a spectacular goalie which I don&#8217;t like so much).  I don&#8217;t know if hockey requires a full round of shooters in shoot-out before calling it, but I think that would go a long way to keeping it as a team-focused event.</p>
<p>And the spectacle of a shootout is just too awesome to pass up!</p>
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		<title>By: Geof F. Morris</title>
		<link>http://gfmorris.com/2007/07/03/ncaa-ice-hockey-moving-to-two-ref-system-and-removing-ties/comment-page-1/#comment-6798</link>
		<dc:creator>Geof F. Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 23:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ehhhh, I don&#039;t know what any owners-hired commissioner can do to stop team movement.  It&#039;s far more the overexpansion of the league that has me upset with Bettman.  To say nothing of the gross mismanagement of the Bruins.

Which reminds me: if I sound the least bit excited about the B&#039;s next year, brain me.  Just go ahead and put me out of my misery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ehhhh, I don&#8217;t know what any owners-hired commissioner can do to stop team movement.  It&#8217;s far more the overexpansion of the league that has me upset with Bettman.  To say nothing of the gross mismanagement of the Bruins.</p>
<p>Which reminds me: if I sound the least bit excited about the B&#8217;s next year, brain me.  Just go ahead and put me out of my misery.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
		<link>http://gfmorris.com/2007/07/03/ncaa-ice-hockey-moving-to-two-ref-system-and-removing-ties/comment-page-1/#comment-6800</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 21:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You mean you haven&#039;t begun advocating the violent overthrow of Bettman&#039;s regime yet? I started when Minnesota moved to Dallas. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You mean you haven&#8217;t begun advocating the violent overthrow of Bettman&#8217;s regime yet? I started when Minnesota moved to Dallas. <img src='http://gfmorris.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Geof F. Morris</title>
		<link>http://gfmorris.com/2007/07/03/ncaa-ice-hockey-moving-to-two-ref-system-and-removing-ties/comment-page-1/#comment-6799</link>
		<dc:creator>Geof F. Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 21:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bryan: I think that&#039;s true for most sporting environments, but college hockey fans are a bit weird.

Brad: You hit on the argument I make most strongly: don&#039;t reduce a team game to an individual competition.  I don&#039;t terribly mind the shootout on the NHL level---it is growing on me, and its use is limited---but I hate it for the college game.

You can actually have a shootout in the NCAA, but only during regular season tournaments where having a team go multiple overtimes is not desirable because the outcome just isn&#039;t that important.  I&#039;ve only come close to seeing that once, and then our boys scored to beat Ferris State with under a minute left in OT.  ;)

The day Bettman so much as floats the idea of shootouts in playoff games is the day I begin agitating for a violent overthrow of his regime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bryan: I think that&#8217;s true for most sporting environments, but college hockey fans are a bit weird.</p>
<p>Brad: You hit on the argument I make most strongly: don&#8217;t reduce a team game to an individual competition.  I don&#8217;t terribly mind the shootout on the NHL level&#8212;it is growing on me, and its use is limited&#8212;but I hate it for the college game.</p>
<p>You can actually have a shootout in the NCAA, but only during regular season tournaments where having a team go multiple overtimes is not desirable because the outcome just isn&#8217;t that important.  I&#8217;ve only come close to seeing that once, and then our boys scored to beat Ferris State with under a minute left in OT.  <img src='http://gfmorris.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>The day Bettman so much as floats the idea of shootouts in playoff games is the day I begin agitating for a violent overthrow of his regime.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
		<link>http://gfmorris.com/2007/07/03/ncaa-ice-hockey-moving-to-two-ref-system-and-removing-ties/comment-page-1/#comment-6802</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 21:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are a few problems with forcing victories. One, some people see the shootout as a spectacle unworthy of professional sports, which I feel is a rather ironic statement. Two, some people see the shootout as a one-on-one competition instead of a team-on-team competition. This, I think, is the strongest argument against having a shootout in team sports.

Then there&#039;s the statistics issue that showed up in this most recent NHL season -- you can&#039;t compare goaltender or team victories with past seasons.

I wasn&#039;t in favour of the shootout before it came along, but it&#039;s growing on me. I&#039;m really glad that they don&#039;t use it in the playoffs -- regular season games don&#039;t really mean as much as playoff games and a bit of a show is kind of nice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a few problems with forcing victories. One, some people see the shootout as a spectacle unworthy of professional sports, which I feel is a rather ironic statement. Two, some people see the shootout as a one-on-one competition instead of a team-on-team competition. This, I think, is the strongest argument against having a shootout in team sports.</p>
<p>Then there&#8217;s the statistics issue that showed up in this most recent NHL season &#8212; you can&#8217;t compare goaltender or team victories with past seasons.</p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t in favour of the shootout before it came along, but it&#8217;s growing on me. I&#8217;m really glad that they don&#8217;t use it in the playoffs &#8212; regular season games don&#8217;t really mean as much as playoff games and a bit of a show is kind of nice.</p>
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		<title>By: bryan</title>
		<link>http://gfmorris.com/2007/07/03/ncaa-ice-hockey-moving-to-two-ref-system-and-removing-ties/comment-page-1/#comment-6803</link>
		<dc:creator>bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 11:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think people show up to sporting events knowing they will either be elated or deflated when they leave. it&#039;s part of the thrill of going, knowing that the outcome will make you or break you emotionally for the night. with a tie, most people just don&#039;t know how to process it. it&#039;s the middle ground between a loss and a win, does that mean emotionally it is the middle ground as well...which would be indifference, i guess?

ties are great when your team scores the equalizer with 30 seconds left and equally terrible when your team gives it up late. in those cases your expectations were adjusted to the outcome you expected and a last-second tie changes that. but in most cases, at least for me, a tie just doesnt provide the closure that i like to have. but then again, i&#039;m neither a hockey nor soccer fan, so that&#039;s not surprising.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think people show up to sporting events knowing they will either be elated or deflated when they leave. it&#8217;s part of the thrill of going, knowing that the outcome will make you or break you emotionally for the night. with a tie, most people just don&#8217;t know how to process it. it&#8217;s the middle ground between a loss and a win, does that mean emotionally it is the middle ground as well&#8230;which would be indifference, i guess?</p>
<p>ties are great when your team scores the equalizer with 30 seconds left and equally terrible when your team gives it up late. in those cases your expectations were adjusted to the outcome you expected and a last-second tie changes that. but in most cases, at least for me, a tie just doesnt provide the closure that i like to have. but then again, i&#8217;m neither a hockey nor soccer fan, so that&#8217;s not surprising.</p>
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